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		<title>By: Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand &#124; Technophile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand &#124; Technophile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 04:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ancient history bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser and Roger Pearse &#8211; accused Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web magazine offline. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ancient history bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser and Roger Pearse &#8211; accused Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web magazine offline. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sandSoftware Full Version &#124; Software Full Version</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sandSoftware Full Version &#124; Software Full Version</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ancient story bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser and Roger Pearse &#8211; indicted Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web repository offline. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ancient story bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser and Roger Pearse &#8211; indicted Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web repository offline. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand &#171; Engineering Evil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand &#171; Engineering Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ancient history bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser [3] and Roger Pearse [4] &#8211; accused Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web magazine offline. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ancient history bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser [3] and Roger Pearse [4] &#8211; accused Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web magazine offline. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand &#124; Gens News</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2013/01/22/islamic-criminals-take-down-egyptology-web-sites-tptb-take-no-action/comment-page-1/#comment-528579</link>
		<dc:creator>Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand &#124; Gens News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ancient history bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser and Roger Pearse &#8211; accused Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web magazine offline. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ste williams &#187; Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand</title>
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		<dc:creator>ste williams &#187; Hackers on anti-Egypt spree bury Egyptology journal in the sand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ancient history bloggers &#8211; including Mike Heiser and Roger Pearse &#8211; accused Islamic hardliners of knocking Phizackerley&#8217;s web magazine offline. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/23/egyptology_site_forced_online_by_hackers/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Register&lt;/a&gt; has also picked up the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/01/23/egyptology_site_forced_online_by_hackers/ rel="nofollow">The Register</a> has also picked up the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stuart, I don&#039;t know what you&#039;re reading, but it&#039;s terrible nonsense.  It sounds a bit like some anti-colonial rant to me? -- the sort of stuff that was written by Soviet apologists in the 60&#039;s as an excuse to enslave most Africans back to their traditional oppressors.  

That stuff always involved attitudes and ideas which are quite anachronistic.  Consider: did Nasser, the &quot;Big Dictator&quot; as I have heard Egyptians call him, operate a free press?  Or Sadat?  Or even Mubarak, mildest of the three?  The Egyptian press was far freer before all of these despots came along, even though certainly regulated and censored.

I enjoyed particularly the idea that British colonial rule involved censorship of *British personnel*.  The empire, which I actually remember the last bits of, did not work like that: Britons, remember, were never, never  slaves.  You could do some pretty wild stuff out there, and the worst that would happen to you was to be sent home.  I remember one incident where a British firm in Bombay was found to be selling modern arms to the tribesmen on the Kyber Pass, who were using them to kill British forces.  The company was invited merely to leave India.

Now I&#039;m sure you write in good faith; but we have been subjected to 50 years of supercharged nonsense. The people who lived and worked in the empire knew different.  In our libraries, unread, are the memoirs of retired imperial civil servants from all over the empire, written before the dawn of modern anti-colonialism.  These will make very clear how the empire was really run, as written by those who did it.  

I would advise anyone interested in British Egypt to read some contemporary accounts of how British rule really worked.  In particular, a read of Milner&#039;s &quot;England in Egypt&quot; will give anyone who does so an excellent idea of how *everything* actually worked, and what the direction and purpose of policy was.

But I fear that we drift off topic with this issue, so pardon me if I moderate further comments in this direction.  There is a serious current issue that we need to worry about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stuart, I don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re reading, but it&#8217;s terrible nonsense.  It sounds a bit like some anti-colonial rant to me? &#8212; the sort of stuff that was written by Soviet apologists in the 60&#8242;s as an excuse to enslave most Africans back to their traditional oppressors.  </p>
<p>That stuff always involved attitudes and ideas which are quite anachronistic.  Consider: did Nasser, the &#8220;Big Dictator&#8221; as I have heard Egyptians call him, operate a free press?  Or Sadat?  Or even Mubarak, mildest of the three?  The Egyptian press was far freer before all of these despots came along, even though certainly regulated and censored.</p>
<p>I enjoyed particularly the idea that British colonial rule involved censorship of *British personnel*.  The empire, which I actually remember the last bits of, did not work like that: Britons, remember, were never, never  slaves.  You could do some pretty wild stuff out there, and the worst that would happen to you was to be sent home.  I remember one incident where a British firm in Bombay was found to be selling modern arms to the tribesmen on the Kyber Pass, who were using them to kill British forces.  The company was invited merely to leave India.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m sure you write in good faith; but we have been subjected to 50 years of supercharged nonsense. The people who lived and worked in the empire knew different.  In our libraries, unread, are the memoirs of retired imperial civil servants from all over the empire, written before the dawn of modern anti-colonialism.  These will make very clear how the empire was really run, as written by those who did it.  </p>
<p>I would advise anyone interested in British Egypt to read some contemporary accounts of how British rule really worked.  In particular, a read of Milner&#8217;s &#8220;England in Egypt&#8221; will give anyone who does so an excellent idea of how *everything* actually worked, and what the direction and purpose of policy was.</p>
<p>But I fear that we drift off topic with this issue, so pardon me if I moderate further comments in this direction.  There is a serious current issue that we need to worry about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dioscorus Boles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dioscorus Boles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 10:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, yes that is the story about Dahshur. I was wondering if Egyptological covered that story, and perhaps it triggered it being attacked by the Islamists.

Stuart, yes, the only democratic and liberal period in Egypt was experienced by Egyptians under British rule between 1922 and 1952.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, yes that is the story about Dahshur. I was wondering if Egyptological covered that story, and perhaps it triggered it being attacked by the Islamists.</p>
<p>Stuart, yes, the only democratic and liberal period in Egypt was experienced by Egyptians under British rule between 1922 and 1952.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was never free speech under British rule, except for the British occupiers, and even that was heavily circumscribed. We were good at keeping Egyptian prison full of Egyptians (and the occasional interesting Westerner) while suppressing Egyptian publications. We even based the Greek royal family there for a bit while suppressing Greek democracy.

&quot;Free speech under our rule&quot; is exactly the kind of statement that fuels the hardline fires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was never free speech under British rule, except for the British occupiers, and even that was heavily circumscribed. We were good at keeping Egyptian prison full of Egyptians (and the occasional interesting Westerner) while suppressing Egyptian publications. We even based the Greek royal family there for a bit while suppressing Greek democracy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Free speech under our rule&#8221; is exactly the kind of statement that fuels the hardline fires.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Egyptological&lt;/i&gt; no longer exists, sadly.  Is &lt;a href=http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/an-international-sos-from-dahshur.html rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; the story you had in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Egyptological</i> no longer exists, sadly.  Is <a href=http://egyptianchronicles.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/an-international-sos-from-dahshur.html rel="nofollow">this</a> the story you had in mind?</p>
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