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		<title>Comment on Not liking the desert fathers by Chaka</title>
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		<description>I wont go as far as to say asceticism does not have spiritual value. It is not only in the sayings of the desert monks that ascetic thoughts are found. There are also found in the Old Testament, the New Testament, the writings of the early fathers. William G. Most once compiled a note which shows their existance in ancient jewish literature as well. Here is the piece:

Asceticism: Scripture; Intertestamental and Rabbinic Writings
 

Scripture: Old Testament


Tobit 12:8:

 Prayer with fasting is good, but better than both is almsgiving along with righteousness... For almsgiving saves from death and cleanses away every sin.&quot;

Sirach 3:30: &quot;Water puts out a blazing fire; and almsgiving atones (exilasetai) for sin.


17:22: &quot;A man&#039;s almsgiving is like a signet ring with Him [the Lord] and He will keep a man&#039;s favor [to others] like the apple of his eye.&quot;


29:12: &quot;Store almsgiving among your treasures and it will draw you out of every evil.&quot;


40:17: &quot;almsgiving remains forever.&quot;


40:24: &quot;A brother, a help, is for time of need but giving alms delivers more than both.&quot;

2 Sam 12:16ff: David fasted in hope of saving his son&#039;s life. When that failed, he stopped fasting. His servants thought he would fast in mourning. David said: Why should he continue, he can no longer save the child. &quot;I fasted and wept, for I said; &#039;Who knows? The Lord may be kind to me, and the child may live. &#039;&quot;

Psalms 32:13: &quot;When they were sick I put on sackcloth and afflicted myself with fasting. I prayed with bowed head.&quot;


69:9-10: &quot;Zeal for your house consumed me... when I humbled my soul with fasting, they insulted me because I did it.&quot;

Fasting with prayer in time of crisis: Judges 20:26; 1 Sam 13:24; 1 Kgs 21:9; Ezra 8:21-23; Jer 14:12; Jer 36:6, 9.

Wisdom 4:12: &quot;The witching spell of things that are little makes it hard to see the good things.&quot;

CONCLUSIONS: 1. Fasting and almsgiving help get requests in prayer. 2. Alms atones for sin. 3. Creatures make it hard to see the true goods. Implication: get loose from them. Does almsgiving help get loose or is it just charity to others? Unclear from texts on hand.

Scripture: New Testament


Mt. 5:8:

 &quot;Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.&quot;


Mt. 10:38: &quot;He who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.&quot;


Mt. 16:24: &quot;He who wants to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.&quot;


Mt. 19:21: &quot;If you want to be perfect, go, sell all your possessions, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven and come follow me.&quot;

1 Cor 7:31: &quot;And let those who use this world be as though not using it.&quot;


1 Cor 9:27: &quot;I beat my body under the eyes and lead it around as a slave, lest after preaching to others, I myself should be rejected.&quot;


2 Cor. 11:23-27: To counter the claims of false apostles, Paul rehearses his own sufferings. He mentions hunger and thirst, and right after that adds nesteia -- which can mean just a repeat of hunger and thirst, but usually means fasting, especaially in a line where he has just mentioned hunger and thirst incurred from his travels.

Phil 3:8-9: &quot;But I consider all things as loss because of the eminent knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have taken the loss of all things, and I consider them as rubbish that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own justice, but that which is through faith in Christ, the justice of God which depends on faith.&quot;

Conclusions: Same values as found in OT but much clearer on the need of alms, getting rid of earthly things, taming the body, for spiritual growth. Deny self, not just possessions, and take up cross. This can refer to acceptance of providentially sent hardships, or to self-imposed mortification. In Paul&#039;s case, it is the latter in 1 &amp; 2 Cor. for he adds fasting to, providential hardships, and hits his body under the eye to tame it, fearing he might be lost if it gets out of hand.

Intertestamental Writings


Philo. De Spec. Legibus 2. 195

 says purpose of the fast that occurs on the Day of Atonement is to control the tongue, the belly, and the organs below the belly.

Psalms of Solomon 3:7-8 (1 cent. B. C, prob. Greek original - in Rahlfs): &quot; the righteous constantly searches his house, to remove his unintentional sins. -- He atones for (sins of) ignorance by fasting and humbling his soul, and the Lord will cleanse every devout person and his house.&quot;

History of the Rechabites (1 -4 cent A.D. with Christian interpolations): Story of a holy man Zosimus who did not eat or drink for 40 years and then was shown the abode of the Blessed ones, who are the Rechabites, who left Jerusalem for their island in the times of Jeremiah.

Apocalypse of Abraham 12:1-2 (1-2 cent. A.D. ): Abraham ate no bread and drank no water for 40 days and nights, before offering the great sacrifice.

Apocalypse of Elijah 1. 15-22 (1-4 cent. A.D. ): &quot;It [a pure fast] releases sin, it heals diseases, it casts out demons, it is effective up to the throne of God for an ointmennt, and for a release from sin by means of pure prayer.&quot;

Apocalypse of Zephaniah 7:6 (1 cent. B.C. or A.D.): Zeph sees a vision of two manuscripts, which tell his sins: &quot;A day on which I did not fast (or) pray in the time of prayer I found written down as a failing upon my manuscript.&quot;

2 Baruch 20:5 (Early 2d cent. A.D.): &quot;Therefore go away and sanctify yourself for seven days and do not eat bread and do not drink water and do not speak to anybody.&quot; - similar in 47:2 [23:4 has original sin]

Pseudo Philo 13:6 (1 cent. A.D.): &quot;A fast of mercy you shall fast for me for your own souls so that the promises made to your fathers may be fulfilled.&quot;

Testament of Isaac 4:1-2 (2d cent. A.D.): &quot;Now Isaac used to fast every day, not breaking his fast until evening. He would offer up sacrifices for himself and for all the people of his household, for the salvation of their souls.&quot; Ibid. 4:5-6: &quot;And he would not eat meat or drink wine all his life long. He also would not enjoy the taste of fruit, nor would he sleep upon a bed, because he was devoted to prayer every day and to supplication to God all his life.&quot;

Testament of Jacob 7:17-18 (perhaps 2-3 cent. A.D. -- with Christian matter in it): &quot;So now, my beloved sons, do not slacken from prayer and fasting ever at any time, and by the life of the religion you will drive away the demons.&quot;

Conclusions: Here we find fully developed asceticism, wish special emphasis on fasting, which is used for spiritual vision, to obtain mercy, to tame the body so as to avoid sin.

Rabbinic Texts


Gemara on Kiddushin 1. 10. 40a-b

: &quot;R. Eleazar son of R. Zadok said:... . the Holy One, blessed be He, brings suffering upon the righteous in this world, in order that they may inherit the future world... . the Holy One, blessed be He, makes them [the wicked] prosper in this world, in order to destroy them and consign them to the nethermost rung... .&quot;

Baraitha in Kiddushin 40b::&quot;Rabbi Eleazar ben R. Sadok, of the lst century in Jerusalem, said: &#039;God brings chastisements upon the righteous men in this world, in order that they may inherit the world-to-come&#039;&quot; {15}.

&quot;R. Eleazar b. R. Sadok says: God bestows prosperity in fullness upon the sinners in this world, in order to drive them (from the world-to-come) and give them as their portion the lowest step (of Gehinnom).&quot;

The same idea, in almost the same words is in

Pesikta 73a R. Akiba: &quot;God bestows prosperity and well-being in fullness in this world and pays the sinners for the few good deeds done by them in this world, in order to punish them in the world-to-come.&quot; {16}

Sifre on Deuteronomy, Piska 32:&quot;Furthermore, a man should rejoice more in chastisement than in times of prosperity. For if a man is prosperous all his life, no sin of his can be forgiven. What brings forgiveness of Sin? Suffering... . R. Meir says, Scripture says &#039;Know in your heart that the Lord your God chastises you just as a man chastises his son&#039; (Deut 8:5). You and your heart know the deeds that you have done and you know that whatever sufferings I have brought upon you do not outweigh all your deeds. R. Yose ben R. Judah says, Precious are chastisements, for the name of the Omnipresent One rests upon one who suffers them... . R. Nehemiah says, Precious are chastisements, for just as sacrifices bring appeasement, so do chastisements bring appeasement... . Indeed, suffering appeases even more than sacrifices, for sacrifices involve wealth, but suffering involves one&#039;s body... .&quot;{17}

B. Sabb 2. 6. fol. 32a: &quot;If one is led to the place of judgment to be judged he can be saved if he has great advocates [prqlitin], but if he does not... he will not be saved;and these are the advocates [prqlitin] of a man: conversion and good works.&quot;

B. Baba Bathra 1. 5. fol. 10. a: &quot;All the moral rightness [sedaqah] and covenant fidelity [hesed] that Israel does in the world are great well-being [shalom] and are great advocates [prqlitin] between Israel and their Father in heaven.&quot; COMMENT: We note that it is within the covenant framework- hesed--and justice-- sedaqah. The advocates, -- we note the Greek loan word - are the reasons to balance the objective order favorably. {18} At times paraclete seems to mean a weight in the scales, as in the above. At other times it seems to mean a person who pleads for another. Thus in Shemoth Rabbah 32 we read that for keeping one precept God gives one angel, for two, two angels, for many, half of his host. And in Exodus Rabbah 18. 3 (on 12. 29) Moses is called a good paraclete. The Targum on Job 33. 23 says that if a man has merit, an angel intervenes as an advocate among 1000 accusers.

Semahoth III. 11. R. Yehudah ben Ilai asserts that the ancient pious men ,&quot;used to be afflicted with intestinal illness for about ten to twenty days before their death, so they might... arrive pure in the hereafter.&quot;.{19}

Conclusion: Again, fully developed ascetic thought. Especially suffering brings forgiveness, makes up for sins. Without it no sin can be forgiven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wont go as far as to say asceticism does not have spiritual value. It is not only in the sayings of the desert monks that ascetic thoughts are found. There are also found in the Old Testament, the New Testament, the writings of the early fathers. William G. Most once compiled a note which shows their existance in ancient jewish literature as well. Here is the piece:</p>
<p>Asceticism: Scripture; Intertestamental and Rabbinic Writings</p>
<p>Scripture: Old Testament</p>
<p>Tobit 12:8:</p>
<p> Prayer with fasting is good, but better than both is almsgiving along with righteousness&#8230; For almsgiving saves from death and cleanses away every sin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sirach 3:30: &#8220;Water puts out a blazing fire; and almsgiving atones (exilasetai) for sin.</p>
<p>17:22: &#8220;A man&#8217;s almsgiving is like a signet ring with Him [the Lord] and He will keep a man&#8217;s favor [to others] like the apple of his eye.&#8221;</p>
<p>29:12: &#8220;Store almsgiving among your treasures and it will draw you out of every evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>40:17: &#8220;almsgiving remains forever.&#8221;</p>
<p>40:24: &#8220;A brother, a help, is for time of need but giving alms delivers more than both.&#8221;</p>
<p>2 Sam 12:16ff: David fasted in hope of saving his son&#8217;s life. When that failed, he stopped fasting. His servants thought he would fast in mourning. David said: Why should he continue, he can no longer save the child. &#8220;I fasted and wept, for I said; &#8216;Who knows? The Lord may be kind to me, and the child may live. &#8216;&#8221;</p>
<p>Psalms 32:13: &#8220;When they were sick I put on sackcloth and afflicted myself with fasting. I prayed with bowed head.&#8221;</p>
<p>69:9-10: &#8220;Zeal for your house consumed me&#8230; when I humbled my soul with fasting, they insulted me because I did it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fasting with prayer in time of crisis: Judges 20:26; 1 Sam 13:24; 1 Kgs 21:9; Ezra 8:21-23; Jer 14:12; Jer 36:6, 9.</p>
<p>Wisdom 4:12: &#8220;The witching spell of things that are little makes it hard to see the good things.&#8221;</p>
<p>CONCLUSIONS: 1. Fasting and almsgiving help get requests in prayer. 2. Alms atones for sin. 3. Creatures make it hard to see the true goods. Implication: get loose from them. Does almsgiving help get loose or is it just charity to others? Unclear from texts on hand.</p>
<p>Scripture: New Testament</p>
<p>Mt. 5:8:</p>
<p> &#8220;Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mt. 10:38: &#8220;He who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mt. 16:24: &#8220;He who wants to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mt. 19:21: &#8220;If you want to be perfect, go, sell all your possessions, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven and come follow me.&#8221;</p>
<p>1 Cor 7:31: &#8220;And let those who use this world be as though not using it.&#8221;</p>
<p>1 Cor 9:27: &#8220;I beat my body under the eyes and lead it around as a slave, lest after preaching to others, I myself should be rejected.&#8221;</p>
<p>2 Cor. 11:23-27: To counter the claims of false apostles, Paul rehearses his own sufferings. He mentions hunger and thirst, and right after that adds nesteia &#8212; which can mean just a repeat of hunger and thirst, but usually means fasting, especaially in a line where he has just mentioned hunger and thirst incurred from his travels.</p>
<p>Phil 3:8-9: &#8220;But I consider all things as loss because of the eminent knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have taken the loss of all things, and I consider them as rubbish that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own justice, but that which is through faith in Christ, the justice of God which depends on faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>Conclusions: Same values as found in OT but much clearer on the need of alms, getting rid of earthly things, taming the body, for spiritual growth. Deny self, not just possessions, and take up cross. This can refer to acceptance of providentially sent hardships, or to self-imposed mortification. In Paul&#8217;s case, it is the latter in 1 &amp; 2 Cor. for he adds fasting to, providential hardships, and hits his body under the eye to tame it, fearing he might be lost if it gets out of hand.</p>
<p>Intertestamental Writings</p>
<p>Philo. De Spec. Legibus 2. 195</p>
<p> says purpose of the fast that occurs on the Day of Atonement is to control the tongue, the belly, and the organs below the belly.</p>
<p>Psalms of Solomon 3:7-8 (1 cent. B. C, prob. Greek original &#8211; in Rahlfs): &#8221; the righteous constantly searches his house, to remove his unintentional sins. &#8212; He atones for (sins of) ignorance by fasting and humbling his soul, and the Lord will cleanse every devout person and his house.&#8221;</p>
<p>History of the Rechabites (1 -4 cent A.D. with Christian interpolations): Story of a holy man Zosimus who did not eat or drink for 40 years and then was shown the abode of the Blessed ones, who are the Rechabites, who left Jerusalem for their island in the times of Jeremiah.</p>
<p>Apocalypse of Abraham 12:1-2 (1-2 cent. A.D. ): Abraham ate no bread and drank no water for 40 days and nights, before offering the great sacrifice.</p>
<p>Apocalypse of Elijah 1. 15-22 (1-4 cent. A.D. ): &#8220;It [a pure fast] releases sin, it heals diseases, it casts out demons, it is effective up to the throne of God for an ointmennt, and for a release from sin by means of pure prayer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apocalypse of Zephaniah 7:6 (1 cent. B.C. or A.D.): Zeph sees a vision of two manuscripts, which tell his sins: &#8220;A day on which I did not fast (or) pray in the time of prayer I found written down as a failing upon my manuscript.&#8221;</p>
<p>2 Baruch 20:5 (Early 2d cent. A.D.): &#8220;Therefore go away and sanctify yourself for seven days and do not eat bread and do not drink water and do not speak to anybody.&#8221; &#8211; similar in 47:2 [23:4 has original sin]</p>
<p>Pseudo Philo 13:6 (1 cent. A.D.): &#8220;A fast of mercy you shall fast for me for your own souls so that the promises made to your fathers may be fulfilled.&#8221;</p>
<p>Testament of Isaac 4:1-2 (2d cent. A.D.): &#8220;Now Isaac used to fast every day, not breaking his fast until evening. He would offer up sacrifices for himself and for all the people of his household, for the salvation of their souls.&#8221; Ibid. 4:5-6: &#8220;And he would not eat meat or drink wine all his life long. He also would not enjoy the taste of fruit, nor would he sleep upon a bed, because he was devoted to prayer every day and to supplication to God all his life.&#8221;</p>
<p>Testament of Jacob 7:17-18 (perhaps 2-3 cent. A.D. &#8212; with Christian matter in it): &#8220;So now, my beloved sons, do not slacken from prayer and fasting ever at any time, and by the life of the religion you will drive away the demons.&#8221;</p>
<p>Conclusions: Here we find fully developed asceticism, wish special emphasis on fasting, which is used for spiritual vision, to obtain mercy, to tame the body so as to avoid sin.</p>
<p>Rabbinic Texts</p>
<p>Gemara on Kiddushin 1. 10. 40a-b</p>
<p>: &#8220;R. Eleazar son of R. Zadok said:&#8230; . the Holy One, blessed be He, brings suffering upon the righteous in this world, in order that they may inherit the future world&#8230; . the Holy One, blessed be He, makes them [the wicked] prosper in this world, in order to destroy them and consign them to the nethermost rung&#8230; .&#8221;</p>
<p>Baraitha in Kiddushin 40b::&#8221;Rabbi Eleazar ben R. Sadok, of the lst century in Jerusalem, said: &#8216;God brings chastisements upon the righteous men in this world, in order that they may inherit the world-to-come&#8217;&#8221; {15}.</p>
<p>&#8220;R. Eleazar b. R. Sadok says: God bestows prosperity in fullness upon the sinners in this world, in order to drive them (from the world-to-come) and give them as their portion the lowest step (of Gehinnom).&#8221;</p>
<p>The same idea, in almost the same words is in</p>
<p>Pesikta 73a R. Akiba: &#8220;God bestows prosperity and well-being in fullness in this world and pays the sinners for the few good deeds done by them in this world, in order to punish them in the world-to-come.&#8221; {16}</p>
<p>Sifre on Deuteronomy, Piska 32:&#8221;Furthermore, a man should rejoice more in chastisement than in times of prosperity. For if a man is prosperous all his life, no sin of his can be forgiven. What brings forgiveness of Sin? Suffering&#8230; . R. Meir says, Scripture says &#8216;Know in your heart that the Lord your God chastises you just as a man chastises his son&#8217; (Deut 8:5). You and your heart know the deeds that you have done and you know that whatever sufferings I have brought upon you do not outweigh all your deeds. R. Yose ben R. Judah says, Precious are chastisements, for the name of the Omnipresent One rests upon one who suffers them&#8230; . R. Nehemiah says, Precious are chastisements, for just as sacrifices bring appeasement, so do chastisements bring appeasement&#8230; . Indeed, suffering appeases even more than sacrifices, for sacrifices involve wealth, but suffering involves one&#8217;s body&#8230; .&#8221;{17}</p>
<p>B. Sabb 2. 6. fol. 32a: &#8220;If one is led to the place of judgment to be judged he can be saved if he has great advocates [prqlitin], but if he does not&#8230; he will not be saved;and these are the advocates [prqlitin] of a man: conversion and good works.&#8221;</p>
<p>B. Baba Bathra 1. 5. fol. 10. a: &#8220;All the moral rightness [sedaqah] and covenant fidelity [hesed] that Israel does in the world are great well-being [shalom] and are great advocates [prqlitin] between Israel and their Father in heaven.&#8221; COMMENT: We note that it is within the covenant framework- hesed&#8211;and justice&#8211; sedaqah. The advocates, &#8212; we note the Greek loan word &#8211; are the reasons to balance the objective order favorably. {18} At times paraclete seems to mean a weight in the scales, as in the above. At other times it seems to mean a person who pleads for another. Thus in Shemoth Rabbah 32 we read that for keeping one precept God gives one angel, for two, two angels, for many, half of his host. And in Exodus Rabbah 18. 3 (on 12. 29) Moses is called a good paraclete. The Targum on Job 33. 23 says that if a man has merit, an angel intervenes as an advocate among 1000 accusers.</p>
<p>Semahoth III. 11. R. Yehudah ben Ilai asserts that the ancient pious men ,&#8221;used to be afflicted with intestinal illness for about ten to twenty days before their death, so they might&#8230; arrive pure in the hereafter.&#8221;.{19}</p>
<p>Conclusion: Again, fully developed ascetic thought. Especially suffering brings forgiveness, makes up for sins. Without it no sin can be forgiven.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Letter of Pilate to Tiberius by Chaka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 19:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Quasten&#039;s Patrology Vol.1,115-117, we read:
&quot;The tendency to minimize the guilt of Pilate which is found in the Gospel According to Peter shows the keen interest with which ancient Christianity regarded his person. The prominent position occupied by Pontius Pilate in early Christian thought is further evidenced by the Gospel of Nicodemus. Into this narrative have been incorporated the so-called Acts of Pilate, a supposed official report of the procurator concerning Jesus. Some Acts of Pilate, it seems, were known as early as the second century. Justin Martyr remarked in his first Apology (35) after he has mentioned the passion and crucifixion of Jesus: ‘And that these things happened you can ascertain from the Acts of Pontius Pilate.’ A similar statement occurs in chapter 48. Tertullian refers twice to a report made by Pilate to Tiberius. According to him, Pontius Pilate informed the Emperor of the unjust sentence of death which he had pronounced against an innocent and divine person; the emperor was so moved by his report of the miracles of Christ and his resurrection, that he proposed the reception of Christ among the gods of Rome. But the senate refused (Apologeticum 5). In another place Tertullian says that the ‘whole story of Christ was reported to Caesar—at that time it was Tiberius—by Pilate, himself in his secret heart already a Christian’ (Apol. 21,24). We see here the tendency at work to use the Roman procurator as witness for the history of the death and resurrection of Christ and the truth of Christianity…The oldest piece of Christian Pilate literature seem to be &#039;The Report of Pilate to the Emperor Claudius&#039;, which is inserted in Greek into the late Acts of Peter and Paul and is given in Latin translation as an appendix of the Evangelium Nicodemi. It is probable that this report is identical with that mentioned by Tertullian[]. If that is true it must have been composed before the year 197 A.D., the time of Tertullian’s Apologeticum. Based on the Greek text, the English translation of M. R. James runs as follows…[The document is here quoted]….The other apocryphal Reports of Pilate, as for instance, the Anaphora Pilati, the Letter of Pilate to Tiberius, The Paradosis Pilati, i.e., the sentence of Pilate by the Emperor, and the correspondence between Pilate and Herod, belong to the Middle Ages.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Quasten&#8217;s Patrology Vol.1,115-117, we read:<br />
&#8220;The tendency to minimize the guilt of Pilate which is found in the Gospel According to Peter shows the keen interest with which ancient Christianity regarded his person. The prominent position occupied by Pontius Pilate in early Christian thought is further evidenced by the Gospel of Nicodemus. Into this narrative have been incorporated the so-called Acts of Pilate, a supposed official report of the procurator concerning Jesus. Some Acts of Pilate, it seems, were known as early as the second century. Justin Martyr remarked in his first Apology (35) after he has mentioned the passion and crucifixion of Jesus: ‘And that these things happened you can ascertain from the Acts of Pontius Pilate.’ A similar statement occurs in chapter 48. Tertullian refers twice to a report made by Pilate to Tiberius. According to him, Pontius Pilate informed the Emperor of the unjust sentence of death which he had pronounced against an innocent and divine person; the emperor was so moved by his report of the miracles of Christ and his resurrection, that he proposed the reception of Christ among the gods of Rome. But the senate refused (Apologeticum 5). In another place Tertullian says that the ‘whole story of Christ was reported to Caesar—at that time it was Tiberius—by Pilate, himself in his secret heart already a Christian’ (Apol. 21,24). We see here the tendency at work to use the Roman procurator as witness for the history of the death and resurrection of Christ and the truth of Christianity…The oldest piece of Christian Pilate literature seem to be &#8216;The Report of Pilate to the Emperor Claudius&#8217;, which is inserted in Greek into the late Acts of Peter and Paul and is given in Latin translation as an appendix of the Evangelium Nicodemi. It is probable that this report is identical with that mentioned by Tertullian[]. If that is true it must have been composed before the year 197 A.D., the time of Tertullian’s Apologeticum. Based on the Greek text, the English translation of M. R. James runs as follows…[The document is here quoted]….The other apocryphal Reports of Pilate, as for instance, the Anaphora Pilati, the Letter of Pilate to Tiberius, The Paradosis Pilati, i.e., the sentence of Pilate by the Emperor, and the correspondence between Pilate and Herod, belong to the Middle Ages.”</p>
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		<title>Comment on Matthieu Cassin on the chapter titles of Contra Eunomium I by Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 16:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both good points.  Part of the problem is the possible dual use of &quot;kephalaia&quot; to mean both &quot;subject&quot; and &quot;chapter.  But I appreciate the reminder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both good points.  Part of the problem is the possible dual use of &#8220;kephalaia&#8221; to mean both &#8220;subject&#8221; and &#8220;chapter.  But I appreciate the reminder!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Matthieu Cassin on the chapter titles of Contra Eunomium I by stephan huller</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephan huller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 06:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about Hippolytus&#039;s work Heads Against Caius?  Could the &#039;Heads&#039; (kephalia) be a reference to a book made up of chapters or chapter headings divided into various subjects?  What about the work of Mani of the same name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Hippolytus&#8217;s work Heads Against Caius?  Could the &#8216;Heads&#8217; (kephalia) be a reference to a book made up of chapters or chapter headings divided into various subjects?  What about the work of Mani of the same name?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stick with your work by sftommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sftommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post!  I will share with many.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pythagoras in India? by Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it is &quot;well-documented&quot; then where are the documents?</description>
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		<title>Comment on An example of why abolishing AD and BC causes problems by Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree entirely.  Who died and made these people pope?</description>
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		<title>Comment on An example of why abolishing AD and BC causes problems by Daku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still continue to use BC/AD on my website and will not change it. I refuse to be forced to change something that has been used by tradition for so long just because some politically correct idiots have nothing better to do than to spend their time wondering what else they can change in order to avoid offending people. We&#039;ve already lost the original texts of Noddy and Big Ears, original texts from books by Agatha Christie, Robert Louis Stevenson, Charles Dickens etc. We&#039;ve already seen books banned from schools because of single words written 200 years ago which have a different meaning today. We&#039;ve been forced by politicians to call countries by different names because the invaders of those countries have renamed them (Myanmar is just one example, Sri Lanka is another) and I&#039;ll be damned if I am going to change the dating system I have used all my life.
Apart from that, what about the German, French and Italian dating systems - are they going to be forced to change too ? What will n.Ch. and v.Ch. become ?
Bloody ridiculous...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still continue to use BC/AD on my website and will not change it. I refuse to be forced to change something that has been used by tradition for so long just because some politically correct idiots have nothing better to do than to spend their time wondering what else they can change in order to avoid offending people. We&#8217;ve already lost the original texts of Noddy and Big Ears, original texts from books by Agatha Christie, Robert Louis Stevenson, Charles Dickens etc. We&#8217;ve already seen books banned from schools because of single words written 200 years ago which have a different meaning today. We&#8217;ve been forced by politicians to call countries by different names because the invaders of those countries have renamed them (Myanmar is just one example, Sri Lanka is another) and I&#8217;ll be damned if I am going to change the dating system I have used all my life.<br />
Apart from that, what about the German, French and Italian dating systems &#8211; are they going to be forced to change too ? What will n.Ch. and v.Ch. become ?<br />
Bloody ridiculous&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pythagoras in India? by susa</title>
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		<dc:creator>susa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 05:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,it is well documented that Pythagoras went to study formally in Taxashila University in Ancient India where many Europeans and Chinese went to study..The Chinese appreciated and took back many sankrit texts on martial arts,feng shui,biology of the human body etc...

I would love to know how the Indian professors taught the foreign students IE which language was used for communicaiton purposes..

Chess,our number system and many mathematical concepts ,plastic surgery ,dentistry was pioneered in India..but not sure why this part of history is always hidden ..
is it beacause of the australoid and mongoloid indigenous people in India..
I would love to know why India is always shown in the worst possible light in any given media..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,it is well documented that Pythagoras went to study formally in Taxashila University in Ancient India where many Europeans and Chinese went to study..The Chinese appreciated and took back many sankrit texts on martial arts,feng shui,biology of the human body etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I would love to know how the Indian professors taught the foreign students IE which language was used for communicaiton purposes..</p>
<p>Chess,our number system and many mathematical concepts ,plastic surgery ,dentistry was pioneered in India..but not sure why this part of history is always hidden ..<br />
is it beacause of the australoid and mongoloid indigenous people in India..<br />
I would love to know why India is always shown in the worst possible light in any given media..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stick with your work by E fructu arbor cognoscitur &#171; The House of Vines</title>
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		<dc:creator>E fructu arbor cognoscitur &#171; The House of Vines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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