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	<title>Comments on: Anthony McRoy responds to &#8220;SeismicShock&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on Antiquity, Patristics, putting things online, and more</description>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19731</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following link summarised well the sort of tactics that seem to be in play here:

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/07/17/smearing-opponents-as-anti-semitic/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following link summarised well the sort of tactics that seem to be in play here:</p>
<p><a href="http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/07/17/smearing-opponents-as-anti-semitic/" rel="nofollow">http://liberalconspiracy.org/2009/07/17/smearing-opponents-as-anti-semitic/</a></p>
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		<title>By: More on Seismic Shock and Police Intimidation &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19567</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Seismic Shock and Police Intimidation &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read my first post here. Roger Pearse (who by the way, is the keenest blogger on Patristics) has posted a reply from one of those who is accused of using the police to intimidate a blogger. Further, Roger has a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read my first post here. Roger Pearse (who by the way, is the keenest blogger on Patristics) has posted a reply from one of those who is accused of using the police to intimidate a blogger. Further, Roger has a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More on Seismic Shock and Police Intimidation &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19568</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Seismic Shock and Police Intimidation &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read my first post here. Roger Pearse (who by the way, is the keenest blogger on Patristics) has posted a reply from one of those who is accused of using the police to intimidate a blogger. Further, Roger has a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] read my first post here. Roger Pearse (who by the way, is the keenest blogger on Patristics) has posted a reply from one of those who is accused of using the police to intimidate a blogger. Further, Roger has a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Sedgemore - The moderation of fools</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19538</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Sedgemore - The moderation of fools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] theologian Anthony McRoy to Joseph Weissman (aka &#8220;Seismic Shock&#8221;). McRoy&#8217;s tortured argument is hosted on the blog of another evangelical writer, Roger [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] theologian Anthony McRoy to Joseph Weissman (aka &#8220;Seismic Shock&#8221;). McRoy&#8217;s tortured argument is hosted on the blog of another evangelical writer, Roger [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19532</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Francis,

Erm, I am under no obligation to allow a campaign of personal vilification by a group of unprincipled scoundrels to take place on my blog.  Nor will I.  They can run their hate on their own blogs.  Free speech does not mean that I am obliged to host them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Francis,</p>
<p>Erm, I am under no obligation to allow a campaign of personal vilification by a group of unprincipled scoundrels to take place on my blog.  Nor will I.  They can run their hate on their own blogs.  Free speech does not mean that I am obliged to host them.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19531</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger!  The spoofing of Terry Kelly - which no-one here had any link to - was a very, very minor event... it&#039;s about his *actual* comments now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger!  The spoofing of Terry Kelly &#8211; which no-one here had any link to &#8211; was a very, very minor event&#8230; it&#8217;s about his *actual* comments now!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While reading around a couple of blogs, I found that Sizer and McRoy are not the only ones to be targeted in dubiously-legal fashion by the same sort of people.  A certain Councillor Terry Kelly has also been attacked.

http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2010/01/they-say-that-imitation-is-sincerest.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While reading around a couple of blogs, I found that Sizer and McRoy are not the only ones to be targeted in dubiously-legal fashion by the same sort of people.  A certain Councillor Terry Kelly has also been attacked.</p>
<p><a href="http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2010/01/they-say-that-imitation-is-sincerest.html" rel="nofollow">http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2010/01/they-say-that-imitation-is-sincerest.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/?p=3461&#038;cpage=1#comment-19526</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robin,

&lt;p align=justify&gt;The more I look at this, the more I tend to think that Sizer or McRoy had little option but to call the cops.  Not once Seismic started stalking Sizer.  

&lt;p align=justify&gt;But I&#039;m getting the impression of some very nasty people out there, who think any lie and any violence is justifiable against their political foes, and are not amenable to reason.  I&#039;m not sensing very much willingness, for instance, to listen to what McRoy has to say for himself, to &quot;believe it possible that we may be mistaken&quot;.  The tone is one of hate and enmity; and if an attitude that if there is no evidence of Wrong Thinking, well, by golly, let&#039;s go find some.

&lt;p align=justify&gt;I&#039;ve started to moderate this fairly aggressively now.  McRoy isn&#039;t going to comment further, and we don&#039;t need to hear any more &quot;Jew! Jew!&quot;-type comments.  

&lt;p align=justify&gt;Thanks for your own comments, by the way.  Those of us not blinded by hate must be willing to stand up for ordinary chaps doing what they must.  One day, it may be us who need help.

&lt;p align=justify&gt;Getting back on topic, my interest is patristics.  I look at this through the lens of &quot;what exists?&quot;, &quot;where can I find it?&quot;, &quot;is it online?&quot;.  That has taken me all through the fathers.  At the moment, wondering about Eusebius of Caesarea&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Commentary on the Psalms&lt;/i&gt; (and how much exists of it today, and how/if you and I can access what he says) is leading me to catenas on the Psalms -- Greek medieval commentaries on the bible, composed entirely by chaining together chunks from the fathers, which therefore often contain bits of lost works.  This in turn will lead me to the &quot;Palestinian catena&quot;, which I have been trying to write a post on for three days now!

&lt;p align=justify&gt;The entry point for me was Quasten&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Patrology&lt;/i&gt;, in four volumes (there is a fifth also from another publisher).  Skimming over these, one absorbs so much information about what still exists, what is lost.

&lt;p align=justify&gt;Just my hobby, you know.  Keeps the brain alive while writing commercial software...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robin,</p>
<p align=justify>The more I look at this, the more I tend to think that Sizer or McRoy had little option but to call the cops.  Not once Seismic started stalking Sizer.  </p>
<p align=justify>But I&#8217;m getting the impression of some very nasty people out there, who think any lie and any violence is justifiable against their political foes, and are not amenable to reason.  I&#8217;m not sensing very much willingness, for instance, to listen to what McRoy has to say for himself, to &#8220;believe it possible that we may be mistaken&#8221;.  The tone is one of hate and enmity; and if an attitude that if there is no evidence of Wrong Thinking, well, by golly, let&#8217;s go find some.</p>
<p align=justify>I&#8217;ve started to moderate this fairly aggressively now.  McRoy isn&#8217;t going to comment further, and we don&#8217;t need to hear any more &#8220;Jew! Jew!&#8221;-type comments.  </p>
<p align=justify>Thanks for your own comments, by the way.  Those of us not blinded by hate must be willing to stand up for ordinary chaps doing what they must.  One day, it may be us who need help.</p>
<p align=justify>Getting back on topic, my interest is patristics.  I look at this through the lens of &#8220;what exists?&#8221;, &#8220;where can I find it?&#8221;, &#8220;is it online?&#8221;.  That has taken me all through the fathers.  At the moment, wondering about Eusebius of Caesarea&#8217;s <i>Commentary on the Psalms</i> (and how much exists of it today, and how/if you and I can access what he says) is leading me to catenas on the Psalms &#8212; Greek medieval commentaries on the bible, composed entirely by chaining together chunks from the fathers, which therefore often contain bits of lost works.  This in turn will lead me to the &#8220;Palestinian catena&#8221;, which I have been trying to write a post on for three days now!</p>
<p align=justify>The entry point for me was Quasten&#8217;s <i>Patrology</i>, in four volumes (there is a fifth also from another publisher).  Skimming over these, one absorbs so much information about what still exists, what is lost.</p>
<p align=justify>Just my hobby, you know.  Keeps the brain alive while writing commercial software&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p align=justify&gt;This isn&#039;t all that polite, you know.  Please... speak more moderately.  Imagine you were talking to someone face to face -- would you say that?  Believe that everyone is sincere until evidence to the contrary appears.  In short... treat others as you would like to be treated.

&lt;p align=justify&gt;I have explained why I am deleting attack-comments.  I&#039;m quite tired of listening to bigots ranting mindlessly in what is my personal blog.  I make no apology for censoring some of the muck that I have had to trawl through.  They can have their say, sure; but not in my virtual front room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align=justify>This isn&#8217;t all that polite, you know.  Please&#8230; speak more moderately.  Imagine you were talking to someone face to face &#8212; would you say that?  Believe that everyone is sincere until evidence to the contrary appears.  In short&#8230; treat others as you would like to be treated.</p>
<p align=justify>I have explained why I am deleting attack-comments.  I&#8217;m quite tired of listening to bigots ranting mindlessly in what is my personal blog.  I make no apology for censoring some of the muck that I have had to trawl through.  They can have their say, sure; but not in my virtual front room.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, I must have missed that hilarity.  From what you say, I would have deleted it as well.

That said, I fail to see your justification for removing my [and other&#039;s] responses to claims that he is former-NF.

It&#039;s welcome that you&#039;re publishing McRoy&#039;s responses, but without his entering the comments thread himself and also eliding responses to many points raised therein, the suspicion is left they&#039;re simply polemics and apologia.

&gt;&gt; Anthony McRoy has now sent me his final response to Seismic

This is by no means the end of it.

ANTHONY MCROY &gt;&gt; Again, imagine if someone living in a Muslim area of Britain was accused of being a MOSSAD agent. What would be likely to happen to him? 

In my experience, answering a question with a question is the sign either of a confused debated or a disassembler.  

Anthony, can you please answer the question?  Where was the evidence that you or your family was in any risk?  Given that you believe the July 2005 bombs were A-Q, I have lost a lot of trust in your claim to be an accomplished scholar/academic.

The rest of your missive is as directionless and/or misleading [quite possibly intentionally so].

You&#039;re not speaking to 1st year undergraduates!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, I must have missed that hilarity.  From what you say, I would have deleted it as well.</p>
<p>That said, I fail to see your justification for removing my [and other's] responses to claims that he is former-NF.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s welcome that you&#8217;re publishing McRoy&#8217;s responses, but without his entering the comments thread himself and also eliding responses to many points raised therein, the suspicion is left they&#8217;re simply polemics and apologia.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Anthony McRoy has now sent me his final response to Seismic</p>
<p>This is by no means the end of it.</p>
<p>ANTHONY MCROY &gt;&gt; Again, imagine if someone living in a Muslim area of Britain was accused of being a MOSSAD agent. What would be likely to happen to him? </p>
<p>In my experience, answering a question with a question is the sign either of a confused debated or a disassembler.  </p>
<p>Anthony, can you please answer the question?  Where was the evidence that you or your family was in any risk?  Given that you believe the July 2005 bombs were A-Q, I have lost a lot of trust in your claim to be an accomplished scholar/academic.</p>
<p>The rest of your missive is as directionless and/or misleading [quite possibly intentionally so].</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not speaking to 1st year undergraduates!</p>
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